Bill Nye warns: Creation views threaten US science
by DYLAN LOVAN,Associated Press
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FILE - In an Oct. 18, 2010, file photo, Bill Nye, host of television's "Bill Nye the Science Guy," arrives as President Barack Obama hosts a White House science fair in Washington. Nye recently waded into the evolution debate with an online video urging parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)
FILE - In an Oct. 18, 2010, file photo, Bill Nye, host of television's "Bill Nye the Science Guy," arrives as President Barack Obama hosts a White House science fair in Washington. Nye recently waded into the evolution debate with an online video urging parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) — The man known to a generation of Americans as "The Science Guy" is condemning efforts by some Christian groups to cast doubts on evolution and lawmakers who want to bring the Bible into science classrooms.

Bill Nye, a mechanical engineer and star of the popular 1990s TV show "Bill Nye The Science Guy," has waded into the evolution debate with an online video that urges parents not to pass their religious-based doubts about evolution on to their children.

Christians who view the stories of the Old Testament as historical fact have come to be known as creationists, and many argue that the world was created by God just a few thousand years ago.

"The Earth is not 6,000 or 10,000 years old," Nye said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's not. And if that conflicts with your beliefs, I strongly feel you should question your beliefs."

Millions of Americans do hold those beliefs, according to a June Gallup poll that found 46 percent of Americans believe God created humans in their present form about 10,000 years ago.

Nye, 56, also decried efforts in recent years by lawmakers and school boards in some states to present Bible stories as an alternative to evolution in public schools. Tennessee passed a law earlier this year that protects teachers who let students criticize evolution and other scientific theories. That echoes a Louisiana law passed in 2008 that allows teachers to introduce supplemental teaching materials in science classes.

"If we raise a generation of students who don't believe in the process of science, who think everything that we've come to know about nature and the universe can be dismissed by a few sentences translated into English from some ancient text, you're not going to continue to innovate," Nye said in a wide-ranging telephone interview.

The brief online video was not Nye's first foray into the combustible debate, but "it's the first time it's gotten to be such a big deal."

"I can see where one gets so caught up in this (debate) that you say something that will galvanize people in a bad way, that will make them hate you forever," he said. "But I emphasize that I'm not questioning someone's religion — much of that is how you were brought up."

In the video he tells adults they can dismiss evolution, "but don't make your kids do it. Because we need them." Posted by Big Think, an online knowledge forum, the clip went viral and has 4.6 million views on YouTube. It has garnered 182,000 comments from critics and supporters.

It drew the ire of the creationism group Answers in Genesis, which built a biblically based Creation Museum in Kentucky that teaches the stories of the Old Testament and has attracted headlines for its assertion that dinosaurs roamed alongside Adam and Eve.

The group produced a response video featuring two scientists who say the Bible has the true account of Earth's origins, and that "children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

Nye, who is prone to inject dry humor into scientific discussions, said Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

"What I find troubling, when you listen to these people ... once in a while I get the impression that they're not kidding," Nye said.

Ken Ham, a co-founder of Answers in Genesis, said dating methods used by scientists to measure the age of the earth are contradictory and many don't point to millions or billions of years of time.

"We say the only dating method that is absolute is the Word of God," Ham said. "Time is the crucial factor for Bill Nye. Without the time of millions of years, you can't postulate evolution change."

America is home to the world's biggest creationist following, Ham said, and the $27 million Creation Museum has averaged about 330,000 visitors a year since it opened just south of Cincinnati in 2007.

Nye can't talk for long about science without mentioning his current passion: speaking out against proposed government cuts to NASA's planetary sciences division. Nye is CEO of The Planetary Society, an organization in Pasadena, Calif., that promotes space exploration.

NASA's landing of the Curiosity rover on Mars last month is the kind of technological achievement that get kids interested in science, Nye said, but funding cuts would endanger future missions.

He said if Curiosity is able to find evidence of life on Mars — perhaps in the form of fossilized microorganisms — it would "change the world."

"It would change the way everybody feels about his or her place in space," he said. "And we do that for $300 million a year, which is not even a buck a person. We don't want to cut that."

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Online:

Big Think video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU

Creation Museum response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-AyDtD6sPA

The Planetary Society: http://www.planetary.org/

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LiedToAgainAndAgain
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September 30, 2012
What a beautiful morning, everyone! Time to get up, cook breakfast and go pick up the grandkids and head off to church.

The family enjoys this time together...the love...the fellowship...the reflection on life's meaning. All the simple things that are absolutely free.

As far as politics go, it'll be rather hard finding much in the way of far left liberals to talk to this morning....Rather absent around the church house....Rather sad, too.

Momma always told us kids "You all need to be careful who y'all associate with....Some people are up to no good, and will sell you a pack of lies and just get you in trouble."

Little did I know Momma was talking about two people in general....Daddy, and left wing idiots!

ROFLMHO....Enjoy, everyone!

And have a blessed day!
niks79
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September 30, 2012
That's funny...b/c you are the one slinging names at people; very Christ like indeed.
avg.joe
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September 29, 2012
I wonder what dry humor Bill Nye will be able to come up with when he stands before the judgement seat of Christ.
rt_elms
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September 29, 2012
I think more correctly, the Great White Throne Judgment, as the Judgment Seat of Christ is reserved for believers. At least that’s how I read Romans 14 and 2nd Corinthians 5.
frustraited
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September 28, 2012
I remeber it well. It's not what goes into a person that makes them unclean, but what comes out of the mouth.

Also remember not one tittle or jot will be dropped from his word.

Arguing about the Bible is not good. I have no intention of doing so.

If the Science Guy or whoever doesn't beleive it's nobodys fault but their own. It doesn't mean God loves them any less.

Usually when everything is going wrong, no doctor or human can fix the situation, a non-beleiver will seek out a christian to pray or cry out to God. There is a reason. We were all created to fellowship with him.

Remember God loves you all :)
rt_elms
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September 28, 2012
A thoughtful discussion does not an argument make.
rt_elms
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September 28, 2012
CuriouslyAbsent - On what points exactly was the Bible proven wrong? If you’re referring to flat earth or geocentrism, these were accepted colloquial ideas, but unfortunately for your argument, they are found nowhere in the Bible. In fact, most ancient peoples (Greeks, Persians, Chinese, Indians) had a concept of a flat earth, except those who read the scriptures; as Isaiah in the 7th Century B.C. proclaimed the Lord is enthroned above the circle (or sphere) of the earth.

Yes, the church persecuted enlightened men of science Galileo, Copernicus, even Newton shrunk away in fear of the church’s heavy hand, but I have never and will never defend the church’s repressive actions against the thinkers of the day. Historically, the church is indefensible and stands condemned in light of the scriptures!

I do have a question for the modern prophet of the science religion, Neil deGrasse Tyson: If in every direction we point the Hubble Space Telescope, it appears the visible universe is moving away from us, what does that say about our position within the universe?

I’m still waiting for science to catch up: i.e. can science explain how a repentant sinner is redeemed by the vicarious blood sacrifice of Christ, instantly indwelt by the Holy Spirit and made a new creation in Christ? I’m not holding my breath!

Morn
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September 28, 2012
Better yet prove one thing the bible has been proven right about. You people with your self delusional religions are funny, ignorant but funny
rt_elms
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September 28, 2012
Morn, the Bible is right about you!
BeSmart
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September 28, 2012
Morn, this statement will be proven to you soon enough. "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"!
rt_elms
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September 26, 2012
frustraited – Agreed! Believers should wake up singing Hallelujah everyday, praying we won’t get what we truly deserve! Every wretched breath we draw declares His mercy.

niks79 – It’s truly a difficult dance when you have a foot in either camp. Furthermore, your explanation of “dates being a little off” and scripture being a “simplistic” explanation is, in my view, in itself too simplistic, not to mention problematic, as there are several avenues to approach the question without equating the error of evolution to God's creation.

niks79
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September 27, 2012
Why? You are probably for or against some things written in scripture because it no longer applies based on the technologies, forward thinking and science that are around now but not then. Ex--can't eat pork or shell fish, shouldn't wear clothes woven with different fabrics & okay to own female slaves. Some of the stories in the Bible are meant to be viewed contextually and not literally
niks79
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September 27, 2012
and when I say simplistic-- it had to be because back when the bible was created it had to be communicated in a way that was understandable to the people relaying/receiving the message. If it was written in a manner that was too inconceivable for the time period people would have written it off.
rt_elms
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September 27, 2012
Without doubt you are aware the prohibition on pork, shellfish and certain clothing restrictions are still observed within Orthodox Judaism. As to slavery, there were no requirements to own slaves; it was just a fact of life during the period.

I responded to your initial post because of your seeming willingness to equate or include evolution within creation, which I think is an error. I find the scriptures completely sufficient to explain what is observed in creation. I’m just waiting for science to catch up!

CuriouslyAbsent
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September 28, 2012
Science surpassed the bible long ago, as you very well know, rt_elms. In fact, the church has gone out of its way in the past to condemn those whose research has contradicted or outright proven the bible wrong. Things once seen as godly power simply aren't. As Neil deGrasse Tyson put it “God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.” The bible simply shows how ignorant we were back then.
frustraited
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September 28, 2012
Simplistic, couldn't be futher from the truth. You didn't take into account that some of the prophecies are still being fulfilled today.

We are told not to eat certain foods for health and some things are unclean. Did you know pigs don't sweat? I think science backs up the fact that pork is not very healthy.

Also, Adam was the first man God created. Did you know he named all the plants and animals? Well, there goes the caveman grunting theory.
rt_elms
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September 28, 2012
frustraited – Remember Peter’s vision in Joppa? Please have another look at Acts 10. What God has made clean don’t call unclean. Now I know that was given to prepare him for the conversion of the gentiles, but it stands as an example of our freedom to eat whatever we wish. As I read it, the only dietary prohibition is made in Acts 15 and restated in chapter 21. Which is a good thing because bacon-butter makes everything yummy. You just can't make cornbread without it!!!
niks79
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September 30, 2012
rt_elms, the prohibitions and other arguments you have made are exactly what I am talking about...some things are made to be taken contextually.
rt_elms
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September 30, 2012
niks79 - As always, text without context is pretext. Which brings me to the question from our original exchange: where in the context of the text do you find evolution as a component of God’s creation? It's that whole inquiring minds need to know thing.
niks79
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September 26, 2012
I don't understand why science or the belief in evolution means you can't beleive God created the earth. It just means the dates are a little off and the explanation was a little simplistic. Many scientists still believe in a higher power and that higher power provided the elements which led to creation/evolution.
frustraited
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September 26, 2012
Every day we wake up it proves the mercy of God.

If you seek him you will find him. You won't need someone to validate his existence.

Get to know him and see what your missing :)

rt_elms
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September 25, 2012
Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. There is no science on the chalkboard anywhere that can prove or disprove faith. In my mind this insufficiency clearly demonstrates that even the pinnacle of human wisdom is woefully inadequate in things eternal. One is either perishing in their lack of faith or being saved because of their faith. Your choice (unless you are an uncompromising disciple of John Calvin that is)

Furthermore, I would like to point out that Morn was wrong AGAIN, as no one who is disagreeing with Mr. Science-Guy has gone so far as to “rip him a new one.”

frustraited
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September 25, 2012
Why not teach the Bible in the classroom? Isn't it fair to present both sides of the argument?

Science teaches that we have to have air to breath, yet we can't see it. People have no problems beleiving in air and knowing without it they will die. How is it then that they have so much difficulty beleiving in God? Is it so hard for people to be willing to beleive someone loves you so much he was willing to give his only son to die on a cross for you?

To those who are so skeptical of his existence, The question is have you ever sought him? I'm not talking about knowing about him,I'm talking about knowing him. My arguement is if you have never really put forth a true effort to seek the Lord with all your heart you can't say he doesn't exist. Because you have rejected him.
mirage83
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September 25, 2012
Science teaches that we have to have air to breath, yet we can't see it. People have no problems beleiving in air and knowing without it they will die.
mirage83
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September 25, 2012
Odd, my post got truncated pretty significantly.

In any case, to try again and just to make it short and to the point, the Bible is not a scientific text though it's use in a comparative religion class would be perfectly appropriate.

As for air, oxygen, nitrogen, etc. have all been scientifically proven to exist. And while I'm not taking sides here, the same cannot be said of the existance of a deity.
LiedToAgainAndAgain
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September 25, 2012
Or the nonexistence, either, therefore your argument is just as lame.

Example: How does someone "prove" that they "love" someone? It cannot be proven, but the individual truly knows what they feel within their heart.

One could argue, "You can prove love by the acts or actions of the one professing, that their works will prove themselves." That would be false so-called "evidence or proof." Plenty of individuals who exhibit the traits of love end up being just a sham or fake.

Atheists get worked up about what they cannot "see." Christians see what they "feel."

Wonder which group is really blind?

Hhhmmm?
rt_elms
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September 26, 2012
The definitive expression (proof) of love was exhibited at Calvary.
BlueScreenOD
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September 25, 2012
Seems funny to me that this country was founded by a group of people who believed in this "non-sensical mythology", was made the greatest, most powerful nation on the planet for over two hundred years by people who believed in the same, but is now in rapid decline as we have grown beyond those mythologies and make every effort to remove any reference to them from our collective conscience. Coincidence?

I don't agree with the fanatic Creationists, but I don't agree with the infinitely irritating Bill Nye either. I've always loved both the science book and the Bible, and have found them to complement one another on many occasions. A dogmatic belief in one without considering the other is narrow minded, no matter which side you are on.
rt_elms
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September 25, 2012
CuriouslyAbsent – You think you know all about us, when in fact, it is we who know all about you:

“For the story and message of the cross is sheer absurdity and folly to those who are perishing and on their way to perdition, but to us who are being saved it is the manifestation of the power of God.”

Don’t be perishing my friend. Join us!!!

bpbruce
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September 24, 2012
If there is a Creator of the Universe...A lot of people are going to be in for a big suprise...Just look at everything..Read Isaiah 51:6..The Earth is wearing out..I am a believer in God..His son, Jesus Christ who died for me..I am looking forward to living on a New Pardise Earth...Don't want to miss it..I am thankful for all he has done for me.
CuriouslyAbsent
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September 24, 2012
Isn't it just wonderful? Ain't he great?! All you have to do is believe in him! Just think: If you're reeeeally good Santa's going to give you all kinds of stupendous presents!

But if you're naughty he sends you to hell. Oh wait - I may have gotten my children's fantasies mixed up.
rt_elms
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September 24, 2012
The Bible is not a science book, and to treat it as such does it a great disservice. I’ve never read any settled science that at all detracts from anything contained in the Bible (and I read a lot) Any takers?
Welltraveled
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September 24, 2012
True, the Bible has no place in the science classroom. The bigger joke here is that, given the U.S.'s dismal ranking in math/science, I don't think it would have that much of a negative impact. It would be just another book to cover the kids Ipads so no one sees they're watching porn in class rather than learning.
Morn
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September 24, 2012
But Mr Nye they love their delusional mythology and bs. He is so right and you people are so going to rip him a new one for being right but you think you can prove him wrong with a book written by who knows who? You would rather have your delusions than the truth
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